In episode 8 Lisanne interviews José Ramos-Horta. Mr Ramos-Horta is the former president of Timor-Leste and Nobel peace prize winner. If anyone knows about negotiation and conflict resolution it is Mr Ramos-Horta. In this episode Mr Ramos-Horta comments on the current situation in the world, in particular what has happened in relation to Covid-19 and how this has been managed by world leaders. Mr Ramos-Horta talks about how inequality and extreme poverty eventually leads to conflict and violence. Mr Ramos-Horta shares his ideas on how we can create a better world for everyone and what we all can do to contribute.